10 comments

  • dzdt 0 minutes ago
    There are a lot of cars out there where the head unit has connection to the CAN bus. Which means this malware vector could be used to directly cause crashes. E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19751872
  • Retr0id 36 minutes ago
    > Since a head unit typically holds nothing of value to an attacker, one of the more likely attack scenarios using “classic” Android malware is infecting the device to recruit it into a botnet

    People do pair them with their phones, though. I could imagine a future version of malware like this propagating laterally.

    • kotaKat 13 minutes ago
      It seems like this exploit is targeting those that keep their phones tethered for connectivity outwards or hooked a USB modem or a SIM card into a cell-equipped headunit.

      The only valuable thing there is the relatively 'clean' mobile connection... and this malware's dropping a residential proxy endpoint on the headunit to take advantage of it. Bonus points if the headunit is always connected and always powered up to a +12v rail in the car, that's free and always-on real estate!

      • brookst 5 minutes ago
        Head units aren’t always-on. Typically they go into a low power standby 2-5 minutes after ignition / accessory mode turns off, and go completely power-off 30-ish minutes later.

        Otherwise any car sitting unused for a week or two would have a dead battery.

    • buckle8017 29 minutes ago
      Head units can log location, navigation start and end points, call logs, call audio, and scrape full contact lists.

      Just off the top of my head.

      • Retr0id 28 minutes ago
        That's scary from a user perspective, but harder to monetise at scale as an attacker. Proxy endpoints are just another commodity (and offer recurring revenue).
        • stymaar 18 minutes ago
          Yeah, especially since most of these are already available for purchase from data brokers.
  • jackdecker 27 minutes ago
    For whatever reason, the idea of this being in my car is relatively scarier for me than if this was just my phone ?

    I think partially as my mental model of both android auto and CarPlay is that they operate as a passthrough of my device rather than as an separate installation of the OS entirely (I wasn’t aware the head unit itself had the ability to install APKs independently).

    Also, feel like John Gruber is going to have a field day with this one

    • MBCook 9 minutes ago
      Android Automotive is the infotainment system’s OS and runs fully without a phone.

      Android Auto is the Google equivalent of CarPlay and runs on your phone.

      It’s easy to confuse. Like watching Apple TV on your Apple TV in Apple’s TV app.

    • dybber 14 minutes ago
      I don’t believe this is Android auto running from a phone, but a situation where the manufacturer have used Android Automotive as operating system for the built in head unit. As e.g. on Volvo’s.
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  • MBCook 7 minutes ago
    So to do this the attacker has to compromise the update servers at $CAR_COMPANY?
  • davoneus 34 minutes ago
    The logical endpoint of the entire "the car as software" concept. Can't wait for the security vendors to start hawking "AV for your car"
    • Retr0id 32 minutes ago
      I hope we see "de-smartification" conversion kits that replace the electronics with more straightforward (and repairable) offline equivalents. The ultimate AV.
  • bluGill 23 minutes ago
    One more reason cars should not be internet connected. They last for decades and manufactures don't want to support their cars that long. Always proxy to a phone and the attack surface is limited to things that are updated.
  • 1970-01-01 15 minutes ago
    ..to add to a botnet for click fraud.

    The duality of cybersecurity is interesting. Sometimes the high bar is cleared just to enable a low bar to go lower. Those PLCs monitoring water were ignored for a very long time because they couldn't click on ads. It took a war for them to become a target.

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