The Fabled Flatbreads of Uzbekistan (2015)

(aramcoworld.com)

48 points | by jxub 4 days ago

10 comments

  • comrade1234 1 hour ago
    My wife and I started something during Covid where we'd pick a random city in the world (there are websites that do this for you), look at the region's popular/common dishes and pick one to cook for the weekend. Most recent was Mirza Ghasemi: A smoked eggplant dish cooked with garlic, tomatoes, and eggs, from the Caspian Sea area.

    We would also sometimes make flatbreads from the area but man is it messy to do in your own place with flour flying around everywhere. We do make the flatbreads sometimes but it's usually easier to just buy frozen paratha from the Indian store.

    Biggest surprise - everything's stew.

    • chucksmash 52 minutes ago
      > Mirza Ghasemi: A smoked eggplant dish cooked with garlic, tomatoes, and eggs, from the Caspian Sea area.

      That sounds good. Makes me think of hunkar begendi.

      • parl_match 36 minutes ago
        everything's stew. everything's a variation of the 4 easiest ingredients for humans to cultivate plus one or two local or regional specials

        garlic/onions: aliums that thrive in most climates

        rice: grass that can be drowned (to fuck off pests)

        eggs: per day, one chicken produces enough binding enzymes to thicken and modify a meal for 5-8 people

        veg/seed oils: cooking, flavor, etc

        and since that's in the caspian sea area, they also have a ready supply of tomatoes and eggplant from centuries of trading with asia

    • zer00eyz 34 minutes ago
      I wonder how close that dish is to the Indian one Baingan Bharta (it lacks eggs).
      • comrade1234 29 minutes ago
        It's similar but the egg almost makes it like custard and the spice is only turmeric and some red pepper and garlic. It's more subtle.
  • RajT88 1 hour ago
    My wife and I own a restaurant. It's a tough business.

    I feel like there must be more interest among native-born Americans in foreign food these days, based on the fact there's 3 Uzbek restaurants within a couple of neighboring cities (which are maybe 200k people total). There's apparently only ~2000 Uzbek-Americans in all of northern IL! And mostly concentrated over an hour's drive away from where these restaurants are.

    That said, my wife and I were very interested to try the Tashkent bread. I think this article calls it out - it's better very fresh. It was really good, but not as amazing as we expected (maybe lunch is the time to dine at the Uzbek place closest to us).

    I still find it amazing that even (probably) family-run restaurants for such a niche cuisine can make a go of it. I take it as a good sign about American dining preferences.

    • oa335 16 minutes ago
      "There's apparently only ~2000 Uzbek-Americans in all of northern IL"

      where did you get this number? does that include chicago, because i live in Chicago area ... seems low.

    • netsharc 1 hour ago
      I guess if you're a migrant, an ethnic restaurant (is that term politically correct?) is one of the most obvious businesses you can start.

      The Thai government used to sponsor (not sure if they still do) Thai diaspora who want to open a restaurant in a foreign country, it was their way to market the country and attract tourists.

      • RajT88 1 hour ago
        Migrant is actually the wrong word entirely, I think.

        Migrants move around to follow the work. (Think more like "Nomad") Immigrants resettle in new places.

        I'm reading more about it, and probably these restaurants survive based on a combination of:

        - Family run, keeping labor low (labor always number 1 cost)

        - Central Asian and Muslim customers (much more than just Uzbeks)

        - Setting up in low-rent locations like strip malls

        So a few big nights a week can sustain the family business. I guess there's a way it adds up to a profitable business.

        • knome 39 minutes ago
          >Migrant is actually the wrong word entirely, I think.

          immigrant, im- (variant of in-) ; migrant into your country

          emigrant, ex- ; migrant out of your country

          both are still migrants. there is no specific cause for migration required to be an migrant.

          you just need to move somewhere new to live.

          • RajT88 34 minutes ago
            You are technically correct. The best kind of correct!

            In terms of common usage though, it's as I said, especially in North America.

    • alephnerd 1 hour ago
      Much of the Uzbek and Central Asian community is largely located in the Bay, NYC, and DMV. There are around 3 Uzbek restaurants in SF alone.
      • YuriNiyazov 1 hour ago
        Theres Sofia (ex-Uzbek) and uzbegim, what’s the third one?
        • alephnerd 1 hour ago
          There used to be a third one a couple blocks away from Sofiya/Halal Dastarkhan in Tenderloin, but I think that may have shut down.

          There also used to be 2 actual ethnic Uyghur restaurants (not Chinese from Xinjiang) in SF but they shut down as well.

  • Maksadbek 23 minutes ago
    Yay, an article about my country is on the HN frontpage!
  • littlekey 12 minutes ago
    Surely "naan" would have been a way better transliteration choice than "non", right?
  • gtg239a 1 hour ago
    It makes sense and is also a surprise to see that Aramco has a lifestyle publishing arm.

    That aside, this was a great article. There are some great videos on yt as well showing the baking process. But what those videos don’t show that this article points to is the these Uzbek bakers use natural sour dough leavening. I wish this article also included a recipe for the dough.

    Another thing this article does that I like is that it describes how to eat these loaves, because it’s hard to guess just by looking at them. Hoping I get a chance to try one of these loaves someday.

  • d_silin 1 hour ago
    Article gave me an idea that Indus Valley seals were baker's stamps - that's why the imprinted goods were never found (eaten!).
  • spacemule 44 minutes ago
    Seems they've got an IP block on Israel.
  • julianeon 1 hour ago
    I could probably spend a whole month eating fresh bread there every day and enjoy it more than a Michelin starred restaurant.
  • FpUser 1 hour ago
    I spent about a year of my life in Uzbekistan. Food there is pure heaven
    • hydrogen7800 22 minutes ago
      I know someone who spent ~ a year in rural Kyrgyzstan, and found the food to be very meat-based, with little variety. Maybe different in the cities, since they enjoyed the trips to Bishkek, and possibly Tashkent, somewhat more.
    • lstodd 1 hour ago
      Yes. It is.

      And instead of trying to replicate that - it's a learning experience, you learn the world trying that - some advocate for hideous inductive panels. If I were somewhat religious I would say that this is a blasphemy. An unforgivable sin.

      • FpUser 51 minutes ago
        I did learn few things, everyone loves my Plov ;) No shortage of ingredients in Toronto and proper cookware.
  • AIorNot 1 hour ago
    Great article,